F and V

 You're all such smart people...here's my dilemma: no matter how hard i try, I can't write the stroke for F and V. For some reason I can't get the deepest part of the curve at the top, it always wants to be in the middle, which makes FR and FL impossible to write and F and V almost indistinguishable from chay and J inside an outline. I had trouble with some of the other strokes until I found in some book or other where the stroke was inside a longhand letter (the stroke for K is like the top of a longhand M, for example). Even with all the penmanship helps uploaded recently, I still havent figured it out. I was wondering if anyone had any ideas on how i could possibly make a legible F and V.

(by edgemere829 for everyone)

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